This Week on Another Brother:

In episode #005, The Debilitating Dream Dysphoria, the brothers learn that just because they read not-yet peer-reviewed reports related to Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), they really shouldn’t publish podcast episodes discussing multidimensionalism. They also wonder, “Will name-dropping Tom DeLonge, Lue Elizondo, and YouTubers like Mark Rober and Fran Blanche, lead to more listeners?” Meanwhile, Jacob discovers he may want a spinning top before he goes back to sleep…

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Episode Links (***Spoiler Alert***):

• Harvard University’s Galileo Project, headed by Professor Avi Loeb of the Harvard Astronomy
  Center for Astrophysics. A somewhat controversial figure in the world of astrophysics right now, Avi co-authored the report “Physical Constraints On Unidentified Aerial Phenomena” with Sean Kirkpatrick. Sean Kirkpatrick is the Director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO): “The mission of the AARO will be to synchronize efforts across the Department of Defense, and with other U.S. federal departments and agencies, to detect, identify and attribute objects of interest in, on or near military installations, operating areas, training areas, special use airspace and other areas of interest, and, as necessary, to mitigate any associated threats to safety of operations and national security. This includes anomalous, unidentified space, airborne, submerged and transmedium objects.”
• Luis “Lue” Elizondo.
• Fran Blanche on YouTube. Relevant videos highlighting Fran’s brilliance: “It’s Official: UFOs Are Real. So What Are They???“, “The Way I See Space Time“.
• Tom DeLonge and To The Stars.
• Lara’s Voice Lessons.
• Alex’s Etsy Store.
• Sleep Paralysis is a very real problem, as is hypnopompic hallucinations, or… what did Alex call it? Cross-legged hags?

Transcript:

The following transcript was in part created using the Deepgram API:

[00:00:00] This Week on Another Brother

[00:00:37] Another Brother Theme Song

[00:00:59] Stewnerds Segment

Josh: Who here Oh, wait. How do we do this?

Alex: Show of hands.

Jacob: Just go on. Do it.

Josh: Down in the show comments, you tell us, Do you believe in aliens or not? Am I alone? Are you alone in this universe? I think not. But you might think so, and that’s just sad.

Alex: You’re sad.

Josh: Anyway, recently, the head of the Galileo Project, which is a Harvard University astronomy department project to answer a lot of these UAP questions, His name is Abraham Loeb, l o e b. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Goes by Avi, And Sean M. Kirkpatrick, who is the director of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office at the Pentagon. So this is the new Pentagon approved formal official UAP research office. So together, these 2 guys-

Alex: Sorry. Before for for those that don’t know. We don’t call them UFOs anymore. They’re now unidentified aerial phenomena, UAP.

Jacob: Kinda sad. Do we really need a rebrand UFOs?

Alex: Yeah. Most people think UFOs sound like crazy talk. I don’t know why this helps that any, but I mean, you can’t say that you’re a ufologist anymore. Yep.

Josh: But part of the reasoning is, if you listen to Lou Elizondo, part of the reason for that is because are they flying? Are these trans-medium craft flying?

Alex: Right.

Josh: There’s no sign of propulsion. There’s no control surfaces.

Alex: And they hover a lot. Is that really flying?

Josh: Is anti-gravity flying?

Alex: That’s That’s kinda semantic, but that’s Yeah.

Josh: But that’s what these academic nerds do.

Alex: And I mean, it is a government agency. So if you’d expect anybody to be super picky about words.

Josh: Yeah. You gotta be-

Jacob: The government.

Josh: yeah. Choose the right words and be super bland about it too. But they they coauthored a report that at the time of this recording was still under draft review, So I understand that it hasn’t been peer reviewed. Just these 2 gentlemen in their respective offices coauthored this report, and it’s called “Physical Constraints On Unidentified Aerial Phenomena”. And they go around and try to discuss a lot of key physics-based issues related to the UAP question.

Alex: I see. So physics as we understand it. How are they breaking our understanding of physics given their behaviors that we can watch.

Josh: Right. And why aren’t we observing these craft through traditional physics- things that we understand through physics, through our sensors, like heat friction as they’re entering the atmosphere. Like, how is there no heat signatures? Certain, like, radio wave propagation that you would expect to see, but, like, objects like oumuamua-

Jacob: Yes. This is what I was gonna-

Josh: -didn’t exhibit. At all.

Alex: It didn’t- what what didn’t Oumuamua exhibit?

Josh: Let me find this. Well, first, before I get there, let me just read the abstract and maybe you can cut it in post. Because it’s pretty long and it gets pretty technical. Okay. So the abstract for this report says, “we derive physical constraints on interpretations of highly maneuverable unidentified aerial phenomena based on standard physics and known forms of matter and radiation. In particular, in particular, we show that friction of UAP with the surrounding air or water is expected to generate a bright optical fireball, ionization shell, and tail which implies radio signatures.” So they should be able to say, see these things with radar, other RF based antenna, electro optical sensors, and infrared sensors. Like, all 3 of those.

Jacob: I feel like there’s a “but” coming.

Josh: “The fireball luminosity scales with inferred distance to the fifth power.” Okay. There’s some there’s the technical stuff.

Alex: Yeah.

Josh: Okay. Anyway, “the lack all these signatures could imply inaccurate distance measurements, and hence derived velocity for single site sensors without a range gate capability.”

Alex: So there’s even a practical reason why they’re talking about this. Like, we can’t get accurate readings on certain things like speed just because we can’t-

Josh: Presumably- Yeah. Presumably, so from single site sensors, if our sensors are not correctly picking up the right signatures, then we could be completely misinterpreting the the velocity. Right. So it’s just really interesting because they take, as a matter of fact, all of these certain UAP events, and they’re acknowledging this is real. This is happening. We haven’t been able to sense them like we should based on our understanding of physics. So here’s some potential reasons for that. So the intent is, again, to use a science-based foundation to then develop technologies equipment, new science, to help us better identify these objects, or phenomena.

Alex: Well, it sounds to me like they kinda give away the solution- I mean, it there’s no way it could possibly be this easy. I’m probably missing something, but it sounds like they give away the solution right there in in that last thing you read. They said single sensor. So use 2, like we have eyeballs and use the parallax to I mean, I I don’t know. That sounds like that would fix it.

Josh: Yeah. You can do similar things with I mean, optics is just radiation just on a different side of the electromagnetic spectrum. Right? So light is, versus radio frequency, versus like gamma and x-ray, and and whatever on and up. So, yeah. So similar techniques that you apply when you’re talking about antennas or, like, space telescopes and things. But it’s really interesting. The real nerdy stuff, Okay, here we go. “On March 9th, 2017, 6 months before Oumuamua’s closest approach to Earth, a meter sized interstellar meteor collided with Earth.” Did you catch that?

Alex: Say that again…

Jacob: I haven’t heard this part.

Josh: Okay, “6 months before Oumuamua’s closest approach to earth. A meter sized interstellar meteor collided with earth.”

Alex: Okay.

Josh: Surprisingly, so this is this has been called IM2. So interstellar meteor 2. So there’s been 2 of these that have been observed.

Alex: Oh, right. So interstellar meaning, this did not come from our own solar system, which is it’s never been seen before?

Jacob: Wait, yeah, let’s see, so Oumuamua was the first one, right?

Josh: Oumuamua is- let’s see…

Jacob: First interstellar…

Alex: Like, we haven’t found any samples on Earth that lead us to believe that it came from outside of our solar system ever before, except for these objects.

Josh: So Oumuamua , I believe is the first known interstellar Oumuamua object observed within our solar system.

Alex: But there must have been an IM1.

Josh: I think that is IM1.

Alex: 0h, so Oumuamua is IM1? And now this thing that’s actually come in contact with the planet —

Josh: Is IM2.

Jacob: I haven’t heard about this second one.

Josh: So this is okay.

Alex: So this is the mother ship?

Josh: Keep listening. Okay. Yeah. “Surprisingly, IM2 had an identical speed relative to the sun at large distances, and an identical heliocentric semi-major axis, as Oumuamua had, but the inclination of IM2’s orbital plane around the sun was completely different from Oumuamua’s implying that the two objects are unrelated.” “Nevertheless, the coincidences between some orbital parameters of Oumuamua and IM2, inspires us to consider the possibility that an artificial interstellar object could potentially be a parent craft that releases many small probes during its close passage to earth. An operational construct not too dissimilar from NASA missions.”

Jacob: And I just I just want to call out again. As a reminder, everything Josh is reading is in an upcoming report that’s gonna be released in joint by the Pentagon and this Harvard professor.

Josh: Yeah. This Galileo Project.

Jacob: So these are this is top government brass and highly educated professors saying, hey, guys. It’s possible that there are mother crafts and probes out there just like we do.

Alex: IM2. Did we recover that, or did we just observe it?

Josh: Okay. So this is where it gets really awesome. One of the main goals of the Galileo Project right now, and they’ve received I believe they’ve received funding, and they have a date for their voyage, is to go collect whatever they can find from IM2.

Alex: So we have a good idea of where it-

Josh: Yes. We know exactly where it splashed down.

Alex: Oh, splash down.

Jacob: So where is it? In the ocean?

Josh: I believe it’s outside I I believe it’s close to Japan. If I remember right.

Jacob: Oh, crap. This is just a kaiju egg. Man. We’re about to have some giant monster come out of the sea.

Alex: I love Pacific Rim! Bring it on!!

Jacob: Sorry. Go on. Go on.

Josh: Yeah. So they’re gonna go dredge this thing up. Luckily, it seems like based on where they project it would have settled down, that it’s within range to pull up, and they’re mostly interested in the composition of it.

Alex: Of course.

Josh: So I think they can tell from-

Alex: How on earth are you gonna, like, it was a meter, and that was before it hit the water.

Josh: Yeah. Well, here’s the question. Is it ferrous? Okay. So most of these space objects are metallic. Right? So the question is, is it a ferrous metal? Is it a non ferrous metal? Can we detect it? Through, you know, typical measurement devices? Or can we not? And then is it an alloy known to man?

Jacob: Right, if it’s interstellar… One of these times, we’re gonna have to talk about Blink 182, or should I say Tom DeLonge, and To The Stars Academy.

Alex: Yeah.

Jacob: Because flipping Tom DeLonge has started his own I I don’t even know what you call it.

Josh: It’s a media group of sorts. You know, like, the marketing-

Jacob: Yeah, but at the end of the day, the media is just to drive money to be able to put into research to reproduce their own-

Alex: They’re trying to reproduce technologies.

Jacob: -UAP technologies.

Josh: Tom DeLonge’s stars- “To the Stars” is trying to reproduce-

Jacob: That is, like, that’s the goal of the media platform is to, first of all, again, make money to fund their research, and 2, to educate the populace, to to not make it this big scare thing. But-

Alex: Because how are you gonna sell your technology if you keep saying it it’s “it comes from alien stuff, guys, that we researched”, “and we figured it out.” No one’s gonna like, you can’t you can’t turbo encapsulate your way to to to all of your sales.

Jacob: So, like, if you Google “To The Stars”, you know, Google has like their little immediate profile type thing of what you search if it’s something known. It says, “To The Stars, Science Company.”

Josh: Nice. Credibility.

Alex: I should start a science company.

Jacob: I don’t think he has Lue Elizondo with him anymore.

Josh: Yeah. Which, you know, I think, initially, it was critical for Lue to do some of these, what I would call, less than credibility-building-things just to generate awareness. But I think, you know, for someone to be in the positions that he’s been in, of such trust and awareness and just knowledge and control over a bunch of these you know, kind of sensitive type programs. You know somebody like that isn’t gonna be really looking for the spotlight and the limelight. So I think he did what he needed to do. And now he’s probably more than happy to kinda recede a bit. Maybe circulate in the more professional spheres again.

Alex: Well, he got an official Pentagon-

Josh: posting.

Alex: -I don’t know what you’d call it… task force.

Josh: He’s a consultant now. I think he’s a contractor. So I think he-

Jacob: That’s right. He’s not head of the UAP task force or whatever it is.

Josh: I think he’s specifically been hired on as an independent contractor consulting with the Pentagon’s office now.

Jacob: Because it’s the new guy who coauthored this report-

Josh: Kirkpatrick. Yeah.

Alex: Nevertheless, now that there is an official thing going on in our government to study this stuff, it would be a little weird if he maintained ties to To The Stars probably. There’d be a conflict of interest, I imagine. Because if the government finds any technology, the government wants to keep that technology.

Josh: Like, they already have.

Alex: Yeah. What am I talking about?

Josh: You mean when they found that technology? But also Okay. So we are aware of the Chinese balloon and the $10,000 ham radio club balloon.

Alex: That 1 was particularly sad.

Jacob: That is sad.

Josh: All these things… This is just a totally different These are just 2 totally different problem sets, like a nation state’s stratospheric surveillance balloon compared to these fast movers, extremely agile, transmedia craft. Like, 2 completely different issues.

Jacob: With no signals that we can even measure or read.

Josh: Yeah. Well, I mean, allegedly, these F-18’s like the WSO (sounds like “Wizzo”) or F-16’s, whatever, you know, can image them and and get- you’re getting radar signature in atmosphere. You’re getting electro-optical and infrared signature returns. So, like, it’s it’s unquestionable that these things exist because you can’t have that many advanced sensors just be completely wrong. Because we built these based on physics, and so they’re gonna show us what we built them to show us. So there are physical objects there. They’re not balloons. And it’s just really exciting that these guys are trying to approach it from the scientific perspective. And while recognizing that, it could be that just our fundamental understanding of physics is wrong. It could be that the way we have built sensors isn’t cutting it. And there’s things that we need to do differently.

Jacob: But even if that’s the case, that wouldn’t explain what, like, Navy pilots have observed these crafts being capable of doing, the way that they maneuver the instantaneous acceleration. Yeah. It’s even hard to almost call instantaneous acceleration because acceleration is, like but just, I guess, the rate of acceleration where you know.

Josh: Yeah. And then you tell me, if you’re piloting a tiny craft, some of these not so tiny, but if you’re piloting that, and then you’re like, you go to a stop and then you just shoot off at a 90 degree angle from your last direction of movement, you’re gonna just splat on the wall.

Jacob: Yeah, your brain’s gone. The maneuverability-

Alex: In Star Trek terms, they either have inertial dampeners or these are probes with nobody inside.

Jacob: Or robot pilots inside.

Josh: Yeah. Could be.

Jacob: I’ve heard that theory before. Yeah. Bam. Definitely.

Alex: Or Lieutenant Data’s inside.

Josh: Or my favorite YouTuber-

Jacob: Oh, boy.

Josh: Hold on. Let me pull up the I don’t wanna get this wrong, so we can cut this.

Jacob: While you’re pulling that up. Just another thought that occurred to me. Tom DeLonge’s obsession and relationship to UAP/aliens. Gives you a different understanding of his other band Angels and Airwaves.

Alex: Oh. I didn’t know he was in that band.

Josh: I didn’t know he was in that band either.

Jacob: Yeah. That’s him singing. Oh, yeah. Listen to the voice. It’s yeah.

Josh: That makes a lot of sense.

Jacob: Right.

Josh: Angels and Airwaves. I love that.

Jacob: Yeah. Straight up aliens.

Josh: So Fran Blanche has an incredible YouTube channel called Fran Lab. [It’s actually just her name, Fran Blanche.]

Jacob: Fran Blanche?

Josh: Blanche. Yeah. F r a n Blanche.

Josh: B l a n c h e.

Jacob: I have never heard of Fran. And this is your favorite YouTuber?

Josh: I mean, for this sort of topic? Absolutely.

Jacob: Oh, okay. I thought you were saying, like, just above all else. This is my favorite.

Josh: Yeah.

Jacob: She?

Josh: Yeah. And I believe she worked for JPL.

Alex: Like Mark Rober.

Josh: Whether she did or not, she’s just incredibly intelligent and did like a I mean, she was totally nerding out about that first unclassified Congressional report on UAP. She did a live stream, like, as soon as it dropped and just discussed everything, like, almost line by line of this Congressional report. And, like, again, this woman is so freaking intelligent, and she was just totally taken by all of it. So she’s on board because she knows I mean, if she doesn’t know these people who’ve done the research personally, she understands the science and the scientific method and, like, the way they’re going about doing it. And so she understands the rigor that they put into these things. And so she’s able to, like, see between the lines and understand, like, oh okay, if they’re saying this, then that means they probably did all this, and they actually mean this, And she has fascinating concepts of time, and she has a video where she discusses the 5th dimension and stuff. She has 1 video where she discusses her concept of these aliens, probably as a probe, but basically as 5th dimensional projections into our reality. But she, like, conceptualizes and explains her opinion of the 5th dimension and how that makes sense within our current understanding of multi-dimensions.

Alex: Spatial? When when- so I always have to ask this because I once got in a really big fight with Mark.

Josh: Rober?

Alex: A friend from working and broadcasting about the 4th dimension. We’re talking about completely different things, and I feel so stupid that I didn’t- I knew what he was talking about. But in that moment, I did not, and I was getting really upset about it. Are we talking about spatial dimensions or, like, how time is the 4th dimension? Like, there’s 3 spatial dimensions, time is the 4th dimension, and then there’s another dimension after that. Yeah. Because there are mathematicians that work on the math of 4 spatial dimensions.

Josh: Right. And there’s data science and there’s- there are programmatic arrays that allow you to do multidimensional data sets. Like, up to an nth- to an nth dimension of data.

Alex: I’m not even sure I know what that really…

Jacob: N dimensions? Nth?

Josh: Nth, e n t h.

Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. I I got you. But I mean-

Josh: N-superscript-th.

Alex: Superscript. Oh, yeah. Right right.

Jacob: There are. Nth dimensions.

Alex: Just a limitless. Whatever.

Jacob: Yeah yeah yeah, I just- I don’t know what any of that means. I don’t get it. I don’t get it.

Josh: Well, in this in in the case of of Fran’s video explanation, I think it means as a separate dimension apart from spatial and time. Like, temporal, spatial, temporal, and then-

Alex: Okay, so, like, the 4th dimension would be time.

Josh: Presume- I don’t wanna open myself up to toooooo many critics here.

Alex: I still don’t know why you- I just don’t know why someone would start talking about the 5th dimension, specifically, without the 4th dimension being time.

Josh: I’m sure it is.

Alex: And the other 3 dimensions being-

Josh: Because when you talk about relativity and stuff, you’ve got- There’s a lot of time to, like, space the fabric of space and angular acceleration of velocity and, like, general relativity, how time is just a real intrinsic part of all of how all of this works.

Alex: Is there even a difference? Is the 4th spatial dimension mathematically any different than time? I I don’t actually know.

Jacob: I have no clue.

Josh: Yeah. I’m lost now.

Jacob: Yeah.

Alex: Cool. We did it!

Josh: Where am I?

[00:21:18] Interstitial Joke

Jacob: So, with all of the like, creative stuff happening in the family. Heather started her started a new rainbow art Instagram.

Josh: Oh, yeah. Shana told me about that.

Jacob: Yeah. It makes her happy. Lara’s got her voice acting up on Fiverr.

Josh: No. Amazon.

Alex: Fiverr.

Jacob: Fiver. On Amazon, Josh- or should I say Ken, has a little book series thing.

Alex: Oh, yeah.

Jacob: Was it Ken? Was that your name?

Josh: It- It should be Kevin. [Wrong! It’s Kyle.]

Jacob: Kevin. Okay. My bad. Alex is selling stuff on Etsy, like, invitation stuff that he hand created.

Alex: Digitally.

Jacob: Digitally. I thought I’d write a book.

Alex: About what?

Jacob: About Reverse Psychology. Yeah. Don’t buy it.

Josh: Man.

Jacob: Come on. You gotta you gotta laugh closer to your microphone.

[00:22:11] Storytime Segment

Soundbite: Hey, kids. Do you know what time it is? Storytime!

Jacob: Okay. I’m just I’m doing it. I’m gonna take a departure here.

Alex: Woah, boy.

Jacob: Take a nice little break from, you know, memory lane. Re-living memories with each other. Telling stories maybe we haven’t heard about each other. This is a dream I had, or should I say, no, I won’t. I’ll let that be a secret.

Alex: Secret.

Josh: Wait. This is a dream I had, but it’s not… It’s gonna be revealed later… ?

Jacob: No dot dot dot- anyway.

Josh: I’m not gonna be able to stop thinking about this.

Jacob: This is a dream I had a couple nights ago. K?

Josh: But was it? Because I feel like it’s not.

Jacob: It does tie into reality. So that’s why I felt a little more empowered so to speak to share it because it-

Josh: To just totally doff our defined way of doing things here.

Jacob: Yes. Exactly. And I’m not desperate scraping the barrel for stories. We got plenty more stories to come. This was just a first time experience for me, and so it felt significant enough to share. Given the certain interests and passions that we have. I think you guys will see why I wanted to tell it. So, like, most dreams, started out fairly normal. Normal as in understandable why you’re having it, like, it the dream dream is something that could match reality. Right? You’re just in a normal setting doing normal thing. At Aunt Becky’s house, big family party. I’m in the bathroom. And I’m looking at- sorry. I just got done using- It’s normal I promise now!

Josh: Normal bowel movement, that’s all. Just totally normal.

Jacob: Just got done using the bathroom.

Alex: Didn’t spill anything.

Josh: Nothing to see there. Just, don’t go in for a little bit.

Jacob: And I I noticed the the back of the toilet you know, you got the toilet lid sitting up and you’ve got the back, the inside of it, I guess, whatever. And it’s oddly ornate with, like, all these inlaid carvings of, like, animals and stuff, and there’s this this brand name on it. I can’t remember what the brand name was that my brain had thought up of. But it’s it it just I saw it and it stuck out to me. So go back during the rest of the party where we’re doing stuff and things. And then this is where it gets weird because now for some reason-

Josh: I think it’s already weird that you dreamed about going to the bathroom.

Jacob: Come on.

Alex: I can honestly say that I’ve never gone to the bathroom in a dream before.

Josh: I mean, no. Because I wake up, and I’m like, oh, I really have to go to the bathroom. I never complete it in the dream. That’s a bad- that’s a no no.

Josh: To be fair, I don’t recall if I actually used the toilet, but I at least saw the toilet. So then I see her washing machine.

Alex: This is so fascinating.

Jacob: I noticed the same brand name from the toilet on the washing machine.

Josh: Okay. Not too Not too strange yet.

Jacob: And and the washing machine is open. And on the it’s it’s a front loading machine. And So, you know, with the door open, you can see straight into the drum and everything. On the back of that drum, there’s a panel, and there are more of these weird, like, inlaid ornate carvings or whatever you wanna call it, you know. And again, it’s it’s all these animals. And it’s like in this jungle scene. And for some reason, everyone’s all- did I mention this is where it gets weird?- Everyone’s all gathered around me, like,

Josh: In the laundry room.

Alex: The day has finally come. It’s happening. He’s just he’s acknowledging the animals.

Jacob: I’m looking at it, and I’m noticing, like, some of the animal heads there’s this weird, like, cut out around them. And, like, I go and I I I push 1.

Alex: I knew it. It was a button.

Jacob: And it goes in and it’s a button.

Alex: I knew it.

Jacob: And I start finding more of these things, and I’m just I’m pushing them all. And and as I’m doing this, like, the inside of the washing machine is like, opening and expanding, and this this nature scene is is growing, and it’s getting larger. And there’s like this weird, like, blue light in the back of it. And so I I’m just I’m just in there pushing all these buttons. Like, I’m getting this thing to get as big as I can. I reach my hand back in there as far as I can to the blue light. I’m really straining, and I get it. And I don’t know what happens, but all of a sudden-

Alex: What a-

Josh: And then I woke up.

Jacob: And then I woke up. How’s that for a transition?

Josh: “I don’t really know what happens from there.”

Jacob: All of the sudden, you know, you know, I don’t know if everyone’s dreams are like this or if it’s just mine where, like, you can very rapidly go from like, oh, yeah. That makes sense to this extremely quick transition. Where like, now you’re in this completely unrealistic thing that you could never actually ever live or experience. Anyway, we’re all inside of this scene in the washing machine now.

Alex: Like Jumanji.

Jacob: Ooh, I like that. Like Jumanji. Only it’s a washing machine.

Alex: Not a board game.

Josh: And no one there is fun.

Jacob: And so we’re all like just going through almost like escape room esque. Right? Finding all these easter eggs and pushing all these things and expanding and growing, and it’s this huge, like, expansive adventurous thing. K? From here, like, it takes a really quick turn.

Alex: Oh, yeah. This is a nightmare.

Jacob: That was the cliffhanger. That’s where I said,

Josh: “no kidding there I was.”

Jacob: Oh, no. Not- not-

Josh: in a washing machine.

Jacob: That’s perfect.

Alex: But also in my bed.

Jacob: So Okay. We’re in so remember this was, like, jungle scene with animals, and it evolves. And then turned into more of this, like, Cambodian Thai type of, like, jungle temple thing. So it still matched that jungle theme and But once we were, like, in it and we’re in all these things, like, it the setting changed. Now we’re in this, I don’t know, Early no. Not that early, like, 1800’s, basic, simple, like, presbyterian type of chapel. I know. It was really weird. We’re at the front of it at the entrance, we’re still inside. And Josh I remember Josh specifically, he was by the doors, the front doors. And I’m looking up when I see-

Alex: Gotta protect that exit.

Jacob: I wish-

Josh: Smart man- Oh-

Alex: Way to go.

Josh: I failed. I didn’t know!

Jacob: Up, like, above me and but but to the side, it was on the side, not at the center of the of the building, I noticed this oh, what was I calling it? An alcove. And there was light shining into it.

Alex: From inside the building or outside?

Jacob: From the outside. So you know how, like, in your in dreams, you have these things that, like, in the dream, like like, oh, yeah. I know what this is, but, like, there’s no real way of actually knowing. Like, if you were actually there in real life, you’d never know what it was. So like seeing this weird alcove, again, at the very side of the church with the lights shining in. I was like, oh, that’s the steeple. That’s where the steeple tower is, and it’s got windows and the light’s shining in. So Josh, he’s like, “oh, cool. Let me open the door and check it out and find out.” He opens the door.

Josh: Like ya do, another normal reaction. Don’t start blaming me.

Jacob: So he opens the door. But before he’s even able to step outside, it slams shut with, like, tremendous force and locks. And you can’t even jiggle the handle anymore. Then all of the lights in the chapel turn off, but there’s still the light shining into that alcove from the steeple until there isn’t. All of that light, like, it condensed down into a single red sphere in that alcove. And then that sphere of red materialized into a shadow being. Like, it was shadow. It was just it was just pure darkness.

Alex: So not red anymore.

Jacob: Not red anymore. But despite it being, like, shadow and just dark, I could make the outline of a being, like, a a a person. And, like, as soon as I caught its outline and its edge, it not ran because if it’s a shadow, but, like, flew down the like, just descended the wall. And at this moment, like, I fell down, like, on my butt, just, like, terrified about what the heck is going on. I I try to, like, my my my legs just stop working. So I’m trying to back pedal with my arms but those eventually stop working. And then it grabs my feet and I wake up. So then, I’m in bed. Right? I’m I well, I wake up. I’m in bed. I’m trying to get Heather’s attention for some reason. I don’t even remember why.

Josh: Oh no… Do you have sleep paralysis?

Jacob: And I can’t move.

Josh: Oh, my gosh.

Jacob: Like, I just could not move. And then I’m trying to get like, I’m trying to yell at her. And I have this very specific feeling of rope around my neck. It’s simultaneously like choking the air out of me while compressing my esophagus while also, like, giving me this burning sensation in my neck. And I’m just, like, this coarse, raspy, gross voice. Just yelling. “Heather, Heather, help me.” But she can’t hear me. Like, I’m doing all I can. And then I finally like, I’m able to move my arm and I nudge her. It’s so light that she’s just, like, brushing me away, not realizing you know, just thinking it’s a normal sleep movement. And then for some reason, she gets out of bed to go to the bathroom or something. And then when she gets out of bed, I realized, like, there’s something on top of me. And, like, I can’t move that thing that’s on top of me, and that’s why I can’t move. Because I’m trying to kick my legs and everything and move my arms

Alex: Is it a cross-legged hag? Because that’s what usually what people report from sleep paralysis. Literally a hag sitting on their chest.

Jacob: It wasn’t. But, again, this whole time-

Alex: baba yaga

Jacob: She’s completely oblivious. Like, she goes to the bathroom. Like, without even noticing or paying attention, And then she comes out and she decides to go check on Iris. But as she does that, she then sees me and realizes I’m stuck and there’s this thing trapping me on top of me. She comes over, she grabs it and she lifts it off. And as soon as she lifts it off, I wake up for real.

Josh: Yeah.

Alex: Ugh

Josh: Yeah.

Jacob: But it was-

Alex: I knew it!

Jacob: But it was 1 of those dreams where, like, it was real. Like, where you wake up from it and it just it felt like you actually lived and experienced that thing. 100 percent, I didn’t because-

Josh: Oh, really?

Alex: Are you sure you’re not not still dreaming right now?

Jacob: No. I mean, I was-

Alex: Inception….

Jacob: This is gonna be I I shouldn’t be be airing this. This is gonna sound bad. I was on the couch sleeping I I wasn’t, like, even in the same room as Heather.

Josh: Oh.

Jacob: I wasn’t even in our bed, but it it was just 1 of those moments where, like, you wake up and you actually have to think to yourself, like, did that actually happen? Did I really go through that? Or or was that really my dream.

Josh: Yeah. Crazy.

Alex: I don’t think I’ve ever had an inception type dream like that where I’m like, Confusing-

Jacob: Oh, see, I I have them every now and then. Where like, yeah, I wake up and, like, I just I can’t tell if it had really happened or not. Yeah. So in real life, I’ve never had a sleep paralysis. That was the first time in a dream. Where I have. And it was again, it it felt like I actually experienced it because the dream was that Like, I was sucked in that deep and it felt that real, that It it was an awful feeling.

Josh: That’s crazy. What did she lift off of you?

Jacob: Yeah. I didn’t tell you guys what the item was because it would have completely given away that I was still asleep. It was Iris’ crib.

Josh: It’s just laying on top of you.

Jacob: It was so weird.

Josh: And you’re so weak you can’t lift a crib off of you?

Jacob: And I forgot to mention at 1 point, I did manage to get my arms up and clap, but it didn’t make a sound. No matter what I did. I just I couldn’t make any loud noises. It was was creepy.

Alex: All you dream interpreters out there, tell us what this was about.

Jacob: Oh, no. Don’t. I love my baby Iris so much. I do not feel weighted down.

Josh: Is that why you were sleeping on the couch?

Jacob: Actually it is.

Alex: When you hear this later in life, Iris, it’s not about you.

Josh: Yeah. It was never about you.

[00:35:00] Another Brother Outro